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LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; FRIDAY, MARCH 17, 1995 10:11 A.M. DEPARTMENT NO. 103 HON. LANCE A. ITO, JUDGE APPEARANCES: (APPEARANCES AS HERETOFORE NOTED.) (JANET M. MOXHAM, CSR NO. 4855, OFFICIAL REPORTER.) (CHRISTINE M. OLSON, CSR NO. 2378, OFFICIAL REPORTER.) (PAGES 19228 THROUGH 19233, VOLUME 109A, TRANSCRIBED AND SEALED UNDER SEPARATE COVER.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, OUT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, COUNSEL. MS. CLARK: MAY WE SEE YOU JUST ONE SECOND? THE COURT: DO YOU WANT THE REPORTER? MS. CLARK: NO. (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, COUNSEL. BACK ON THE RECORD IN THE SIMPSON MATTER. THE DEFENDANT IS AGAIN PRESENT WITH HIS COUNSEL, MR. SHAPIRO, MR. COCHRAN, MR. KARDASHIAN, MR. DOUGLAS AND MR. BAILEY. THE PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTED BY MISS CLARK AND MR. DARDEN. THE JURY IS NOT PRESENT. WE NEED TO TAKE UP TWO MATTERS. FIRST OF ALL, THE COURT HAS FOUND ABUNDANT GOOD CAUSE TO EXCUSE JUROR NO. 602 AND WE WILL BE REPLACING JUROR NO. 602 WHEN THE JURY JOINS US. I'M GOING TO DIRECT -- EXCUSE ME, MR. COCHRAN. CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE. MISS CLARK. I'M GOING TO INSTRUCT COUNSEL NOT TO DISCUSS PUBLICLY IN ANY MANNER THE PROCEEDING THAT WENT ON IN CHAMBERS THIS MORNING REGARDING THE EXCUSAL OF THIS JUROR UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN CONCLUDED. MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENT? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE EXCUSAL WAS WITH THE CONSENT OF BOTH PARTIES. MR. COCHRAN: THAT IS TRUE, YOUR HONOR. MS. CLARK: THAT'S CORRECT. THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION FROM EITHER SIDE. MR. COCHRAN: THAT IS TRUE, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. SECONDLY, WE HAVE A TAPE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE DEFENSE. MR. DARDEN: THAT'S CORRECT, YOUR HONOR. WE HAVE A VIDEOTAPE. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, MR. DARDEN. MR. DARDEN: GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR. THE VIDEOTAPE OF DETECTIVE VANNATTER DRIVING FROM BUNDY TO ROCKINGHAM AND BACK. HE IS ATTEMPTING TO APPROXIMATE THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD PLAY THAT FOR THE DEFENSE. (AT 10:16 A.M. A VIDEOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) (AT 10:22 A.M. THE PLAYING OF THE VIDEOTAPE CONCLUDED.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN, IS THAT THE COMPLETE TAPE? MR. DARDEN: THAT IS, YOUR HONOR. MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT? THERE IS A SECOND PART WHICH IS ON LASER AND THAT IS THE TRIP FROM BUNDY BACK TO ROCKINGHAM. THE COURT: ONE IS ON VIDEO AND ONE IS ON LASER. ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN: GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: DOES THAT MEAN IT IS FASTER? MR. DARDEN: PERHAPS WE SHOULD MARK THE VIDEOTAPE PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT THE VIDEOTAPE AS 118 AND THE LASER AS 119. (PEO'S 118 FOR ID = VIDEOTAPE/ROCKINGHAM TO BUNDY) (PEO'S 119 FOR ID = VIDEOTAPE/BUNDY TO ROCKINGHAM) (AT 10:25 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 118, A VIDEOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, THE AUDIO? CAN WE START THAT OVER WITH THE AUDIO. THE COURT: EXCUSE ME, MR. DARDEN. CAN YOU HOLD ON TO THAT, PLEASE. THIS APPEARS TO BE THE SAME SEQUENCE STARTING AT THE ASHFORD GATE. IT APPEARED -- (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) (AT 10:26 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 119, A VIDEOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) (AT 10:31 A.M. THE PLAYING OF THE VIDEOTAPE CONCLUDED.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN, ARE THOSE THE TWO CLIPS YOU WISH TO EXHIBIT TO THE JURY? MR. DARDEN: YES, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENT FROM THE DEFENSE? MR. SHAPIRO: NO, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE INVITE THE JURORS TO JOIN US? ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAGNERA, LET'S HAVE THE JURY, PLEASE. MADAM REPORTER, WE ARE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH. THE REPORTER: YES. (BRIEF PAUSE.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PLEASE BE SEATED, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. ALL RIGHT. MRS. ROBERTSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE DRAW A NUMBER FROM OUR LIST OF ALTERNATE JURORS. THE CLERK: JUROR NO. 1290, WILL YOU PLEASE HAVE A SEAT IN SEAT NO. 3. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE JURY: GOOD MORNING. THE COURT: MY APOLOGIES TO YOU AGAIN. THIS IS HOW WE START OFF EVERY MORNING. MY APOLOGIES TO YOU FOR THE DELAY IN GETTING STARTED. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN SESSION WITH THE LAWYERS. WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER PROBLEMS GETTING STARTED THIS MORNING, OTHER MATTERS THAT I HAVE HAD TO TAKE UP OUT OF YOUR PRESENCE. I HAVE HAD TO VIEW SOME VIDEOTAPES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SHOWN THIS MORNING BEFORE THEY ARE SHOWN TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACCEPTABLE, AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AGAIN FOR THE DELAY. DEPUTY MAGNERA HAS ALREADY PUT A CALL IN FOR THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAD BACK THERE, SO HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM AGAIN, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A 25-YEAR OLD COURT BUILDING AND WE HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS FROM TIME TO TIME. ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN, DO YOU WISH TO RESUME WITH YOUR DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DETECTIVE VANNATTER? MS. CLARK: YES, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. THE COURT: DETECTIVE, WOULD YOU RESUME THE WITNESS STAND, PLEASE. PHILIP VANNATTER, THE WITNESS ON THE STAND AT THE TIME OF THE EVENING ADJOURNMENT, RESUMED THE STAND AND TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN REJOINED BY ALL THE MEMBERS NOW OF OUR JURY PANEL. DETECTIVE PHILIP VANNATTER IS ON THE WITNESS STAND ON DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. DARDEN. GOOD MORNING, DETECTIVE VANNATTER. THE WITNESS: GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: DETECTIVE, YOU ARE REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH. MR. DARDEN, YOU MAY CONTINUE. MR. DARDEN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE JURY: GOOD MORNING. DIRECT EXAMINATION (RESUMED) BY MR. DARDEN: Q DETECTIVE VANNATTER, WHEN WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO KATO KAELIN WHEN YOU WERE INTERRUPTED BY DETECTIVE FUHRMAN? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES. Q WERE YOU TAKING MR. KAELIN'S STATEMENT AT THAT TIME? A I WAS AT THAT POINT WRITING NOTES TO TAKE THE ENTIRE STATEMENT THAT I HAD TALKED TO HIM ABOUT, YES. Q ALL RIGHT. WERE YOU WRITING THOSE NOTES SIMULTANEOUS WITH YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MR. KAELIN? A NO, SIR, I WASN'T. Q SO YOU HAD ALREADY SPOKEN TO MR. KAELIN? A I HAD A CONVERSATION THAT I WAS GOING TO GO BACK, GO OVER THE CONVERSATION AND WRITE NOTES OF THE CONVERSATION. Q WAS MR. KAELIN PRESENT OR RATHER IN YOUR PRESENCE WHEN DETECTIVE FUHRMAN CAME TO GET YOU? A YES, HE WAS. Q NOW, WERE YOU THE FIRST DETECTIVE TO BE TAKEN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO VIEW THE GLOVE? A I DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME, BUT I HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT THAT I WAS NOT. Q NOW, AND WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU SAW THE GLOVE, IF YOU RECALL? A IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 6:30. THAT IS APPROXIMATION. SOMETIME BETWEEN 6:15, 6:30. Q OKAY. NOW, YESTERDAY YOU TOLD US THAT YOU CLIMBED A WALL JUST LAST WEEK; IS THAT RIGHT? A YES. Q OKAY. AND WAS THAT IN CONNECTION WITH A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION? A NO, SIR. IT WAS IN CONNECTION WITH DOING MY LAWNS AND TAKING CARE OF MY HOME. Q OKAY. ALSO YESTERDAY YOU TOLD US THAT YOU AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WENT TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT YOU SAW THE GLOVE THERE ON THE GROUND; IS THAT RIGHT? A YES. Q OKAY. HOW LONG DID YOU REMAIN ON THAT SOUTH WALKWAY? A NOT VERY LONG. I WALKED BACK OUT FRONT WITH FUHRMAN AND NOT VERY LONG, A MINUTE OR TWO. Q OKAY. SO YOU AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WALKED TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? A BACK OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S CORRECT. Q AND AT THAT TIME DID YOU AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN HAVE A CONVERSATION? A YES. Q DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO SOMETHING? A I DID. Q WHAT DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO? A I ASKED HIM TO GO BACK TO THE BUNDY LOCATION TO LOOK AT THE OTHER GLOVE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS SEEING WHAT I WAS SEEING. Q AND WHERE WAS DETECTIVE LANGE AT THAT TIME? A I BELIEVE DETECTIVE LANGE HAD COME OUT OF THE HOUSE. I BELIEVE HE HAD JUST LEFT ARNELLE SIMPSON, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE OF THAT. Q OKAY. NOW, WHY DID YOU TELL DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TO GO BACK TO BUNDY AND VIEW THE GLOVE? A BECAUSE WHAT I HAD SEEN ORIGINALLY AT BUNDY AND WHAT I HAD SEEN AT ROCKINGHAM, IT APPEARED TO BE THE SAME TYPE GLOVE, A LEFT AND A RIGHT-HANDED GLOVE, MAN'S LEATHER GLOVE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS SEEING. I WANTED HIM TO GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT THIS WAS A LEFT-HANDED MAN'S LEATHER GLOVE. Q AND DID DETECTIVE FUHRMAN LEAVE YOUR PRESENCE? A HE DID. Q DID YOU WATCH HIM AS HE LEFT? A YES. Q DID YOU SEE WHERE HE WENT AT THAT TIME? A I OBSERVED HIM AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS EXIT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE TO -- OR I'M SORRY -- EXIT THE ASHFORD GATE TO GO TO THEIR VEHICLE THAT WAS PARKED THERE AND LEAVE THE LOCATION. Q WHAT TIME, IF YOU RECALL, DID PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN LEAVE THE LOCATION? A I BELIEVE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 6:40 IN THE MORNING. Q AND DID YOU REMAIN STANDING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AT ROCKINGHAM? A NO. I MET WITH MY PARTNER, DETECTIVE LANGE, IN THE FRONT THERE. WE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION. Q WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU MET WITH DETECTIVE LANGE IN THE FRONT, DO YOU MEAN THAT YOU MET WITH HIM INSIDE THE HOUSE OR OUTSIDE THE HOUSE? A OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. Q OKAY. WERE YOU STILL ON MR. SIMPSON'S PROPERTY AT THAT TIME? A YES, IN HIS DRIVEWAY. Q AND WHAT DID YOU AND DETECTIVE LANGE DO AT THAT TIME, IF ANYTHING? A WELL, WE -- WE DISCUSSED WHAT -- WHAT HAD BEEN FOUND, THE FACT THAT WE MAY HAVE AN EXTENSION OF THE CRIME SCENE FROM BUNDY, AND WE MADE A DETERMINATION THAT DETECTIVE LANGE WOULD RETURN TO THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE IMMEDIATELY AND START THAT INVESTIGATION. Q OKAY. AND DID DETECTIVE LANGE LEAVE YOUR PRESENCE AT THAT TIME? A YES. Q OKAY. DID YOU WATCH HIM LEAVE? A YES. Q WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN DETECTIVE LANGE LEFT ROCKINGHAM THAT MORNING? A APPROXIMATELY 6:45. Q NOW, YOU SAY THAT YOU AND DETECTIVE LANGE DISCUSSED THE IDEA THAT YOU NOW HAD AN EXTENSION OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE? A WELL, WE BELIEVED AT THAT POINT THAT THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT HAD BEEN FOUND, THAT WE HAD AN EXTENSION FROM THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE. Q OKAY. NOW, DID YOU WALK DETECTIVE LANGE TO HIS CAR? A NO. Q OKAY. WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU DO AFTER DETECTIVE LANGE LEFT? A I WAS IN THE DRIVEWAY OF THE RESIDENCE AND I STARTED LOOKING AROUND, AND IN THE VICINITY OF THE -- OF ONE OF THE VEHICLES PARKED IN THE ROCKINGHAM DRIVEWAY I OBSERVED WHAT -- WHAT APPEARED TO ME TO BE A BLOOD SPOT ON THE GROUND. Q YOU SAW A BLOOD SPOT? A WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD SPOT, YES. Q DID YOU SAY THAT YOU SAW THAT BLOOD SPOT IN THE VICINITY OF A PARKED VEHICLE? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q CAN YOU DESCRIBE THIS VEHICLE FOR US? A IT WAS NEAR THE TWO VEHICLES THAT WERE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND I BELIEVE IT WAS CLOSEST TO THE BENTLEY THAT WAS PARKED THERE. Q NOW, WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU NOTICED THIS BLOOD DROP OR APPARENT BLOOD DROP? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES. Q AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE, IF ANY, DID YOU ATTACH TO YOUR OBSERVATION OF THAT APPARENT BLOOD DROP? A WELL, SEEING THAT BLOOD DROP OBVIOUSLY TRIGGERED THE FACT THAT I HAD SEEN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD TRAIL LEAVING THE CRIME SCENE AT BUNDY WITH SOMEONE THAT WAS EITHER INJURED OR CARRYING SOMETHING BLOODY THAT WAS DRIPPING, IMMEDIATELY MADE ME THINK THAT I PICKED UP THE BLOOD TRAIL AGAIN FROM BUNDY. Q WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DETECTIVE? A I WALKED WEST IN THE DRIVEWAY CONCENTRATING ON LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ANY OTHER BLOOD DROPS OR WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD DROPS, AND I DID. I FOUND APPROXIMATELY THREE OR FOUR MORE DROPS BETWEEN THE REAR END OF THE BRONCO AND THE FIRST ONE THAT I DISCOVERED. Q AND AT THAT TIME DID YOU APPROACH THE BRONCO AGAIN? A I DID, YES. Q WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT TIME? A WELL, SEEING THE -- WHAT APPEARED TO BE ANOTHER BLOOD TRAIL, I WALKED TO THE BRONCO TO HAVE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE BRONCO TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER BLOOD I COULD SEE THERE. I LOOKED IN FROM THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE VEHICLE AND I OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD SMEAR ALONG THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CONSOLE AND WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD ON THE INSIDE OF THE DRIVER'S DOOR OF THE VEHICLE. Q WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, DETECTIVE? A I THEN WALKED BACK EAST IN THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN LOOKING AT THE -- WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD DROPS, AND FOLLOWED THEM TO THE -- FOUND AN ADDITIONAL THREE OR FOUR DROPS THAT LED TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE LOCATION. Q YOU TOLD US THAT AT SOME POINT A CRIMINALIST APPEARED AT THE ROCKINGHAM HOUSE? A YES, SIR. Q THAT WAS DENNIS FUNG? A YES. Q AND WHAT TIME DID HE ARRIVE? A APPROXIMATELY 7:10 IN THE MORNING. Q OKAY. AND DID A CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHER APPEAR AT ROCKINGHAM? A YES. Q AT WHAT POINT DURING THE DAY WAS THAT? A I BELIEVE HE ACCOMPANIED DETECTIVE FUHRMAN BACK TO THE LOCATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SHORTLY AFTER THE CRIMINALIST ARRIVED. Q OKAY. WERE THOSE APPARENT BLOOD DROPS PHOTOGRAPHED? A YES. Q AND WAS THE BRONCO SEIZED? A YES. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, WE HAVE A BOARD HERE. IT IS ENTITLED "BLOOD TRAIL AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM AVENUE." MAY IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 118? THE CLERK: 120. MR. DARDEN: 120? THE CLERK: YES. MR. DARDEN: PEOPLE'S 120. (PEO'S 120 FOR ID = POSTERBOARD W/PHOTOS) MR. DARDEN: IT CONTAINS SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS, YOUR HONOR. THEY ARE LETTERED A THROUGH G. THE COURT: LOOKS LIKE A THROUGH K TO ME. MR. DARDEN: TO ME, TOO. THE COURT: IT IS AMAZING HOW I CAN SEE THROUGH THE BOARD. MR. DARDEN: THAT IS WHY YOU ARE THE JUDGE AND I'M THE LAWYER. Q DETECTIVE, IF YOU WILL STEP DOWN FROM THE WITNESS STAND FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE. A YES, SIR. (WITNESS COMPLIES.) Q DETECTIVE, IF YOU WILL WALK OVER TO THIS SIDE OF THE BOARD, PLEASE, AND DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PHOTOGRAPH A ON THE BOARD THAT HAS BEEN MARKED PEOPLE'S 120. A YES, SIR. WHERE DO I GO? I HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. Q KEEP YOUR VOICE UP, DETECTIVE. A YES, SIR. I'M SORRY. (BRIEF PAUSE.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, SHOWING YOU WHAT IS MARKED PEOPLE'S 120, PHOTOGRAPH A. DO YOU SEE THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A YES, SIR. YES, I DO. Q WHAT IS DEPICTED IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A THIS IS THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE RESIDENCE. THIS IS THE REAR OF THE BRONCO. THIS SHOWS THE RESIDENCE ADDRESS AND THESE TWO SMALL WHITE CARDS YOU SEE ARE EVIDENCE TAGS TO MARK APPARENT BLOOD DROPS. Q OKAY. WHAT IS SHOWN IN PHOTOGRAPH B? A PHOTOGRAPH B IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE FIRST BLOOD DROP THAT IS IN THE ASPHALT STREET THERE. Q OKAY. AND PHOTOGRAPH C, THAT IS A PERSPECTIVE SHOT OF THE -- OF A PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM? A YES, SIR, IT IS. IT IS LOOKING EAST TOWARD THE GARAGE. Q OKAY. DO YOU SEE THE WHITE MARKERS THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY? A YES, SIR. Q OKAY. WHAT ARE THOSE MEANT TO DEPICT OR INDICATE? A THOSE ARE EVIDENCE TAGS THAT ARE PUT THERE BY THE CRIMINALIST WHEN HE IS MARKING AND PHOTOGRAPHING EVIDENCE. Q OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE CRIMINALIST INTENDING OR ATTEMPTING TO MARK? A TO SHOW THE TRAIL WHICH WOULD BE LEADING EAST TOWARD THE RESIDENCE. Q AND PHOTOGRAPH D? A PHOTOGRAPH D IS THE -- SHOWS THE FIRST DROP THAT I OBSERVED IN THE DRIVEWAY. Q AND IS THAT THE -- THAT IS THE DROP YOU REFERRED TO EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID YOU SAW AN APPARENT BLOOD DROP IN THE VICINITY OF A VEHICLE? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. Q OKAY. WHICH VEHICLE IS THAT DEPICTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, IF YOU CAN TELL? A I BELIEVE THAT IS THE REAR VEHICLE. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SAAB, AS I RECALL. Q AND PHOTOGRAPH E? A PHOTOGRAPH E IS A CLOSE-UP OF THAT, I BELIEVE. Q THAT BEING WHAT? A THIS DROP THAT IS DEPICTED HERE IN PHOTOGRAPH D, (INDICATING). Q OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU TO STEP TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOARD, IF YOU WILL. A YES, SIR. (WITNESS COMPLIES.) Q PHOTOGRAPH F, WHAT IS DEPICTED IN PHOTOGRAPH F? A THAT AGAIN IS A CONTINUATION OF THE BLOOD DROPS THAT RUN TOWARD OR WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD DROPS THAT RUN TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE. THESE TAGS AGAIN ARE PLACED BY THE CRIMINALIST TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THOSE DROPS. Q AFTER YOU RETURNED FROM THE BRONCO, DID YOU FOLLOW -- YOU FOLLOWED THE APPARENT BLOOD DROPS? A I DID, YES, SIR. Q AND WHERE DID THEY LEAD YOU? A WELL, THEY -- THEY -- THEY ULTIMATE -- I ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT THEY LED ME RIGHT INTO THE RESIDENCE. Q RIGHT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR? A RIGHT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, THAT'S CORRECT. Q WHAT IS SHOWN IN PHOTOGRAPH G? A PHOTOGRAPH G I ALSO BELIEVE IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE FIRST EVIDENCE TAG THAT IS DEPICTED IN PHOTOGRAPH A -- F HERE, (INDICATING). Q AND PHOTOGRAPH H? A PHOTOGRAPH H WOULD BE A CLOSE-UP, I BELIEVE, OF THE DROP THAT IS DEPICTED IN PHOTOGRAPH F AND PHOTOGRAPH I TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE. Q OKAY. PHOTOGRAPH I? A IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, A CLOSER PERSPECTIVE OF THE EVIDENCE TAG THAT IS DEPICTED IN PHOTOGRAPH F HERE, (INDICATING). Q AND WHAT IS DEPICTED IN PHOTOGRAPH J? A PHOTOGRAPH J IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE DROPLET THAT YOU SEE FROM A DISTANCE IN PHOTOGRAPH K. IT IS FIRST SHOWN IN A PERSPECTIVE TO THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN THE PHOTOGRAPHER TAKES A CLOSE-UP OF IT TO IDENTIFY IT. Q AND PHOTOGRAPH K? A THAT IS A PERSPECTIVE OF THE SAME DROP IN J FROM A DISTANCE THAT SHOWS THE FRONT DOOR, THE PERSPECTIVE TO THE FRONT DOOR. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: NOW, DETECTIVE, THERE IS ALSO A DIAGRAM CONTAINED ON THIS BOARD; IS THAT CORRECT? A YES, SIR. Q OKAY. DO YOU SEE THE RED LINES AND THE RED DROPS DEPICTED ON THE DIAGRAM? A YES. Q WHAT ARE THEY INTENDED TO INDICATE, DETECTIVE? A THAT WOULD INDICATE THE START OF THE TRAIL AT THE BACK OF THE BRONCO WHICH WAS PARKED ON THE STREET, LEADS INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND RIGHT TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE HOME. MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, IF WE MAY, MAY WE SHOW THE JURY THE BOARD? THE COURT: YES. MR. DARDEN: THE ENTIRE JURY THE BOARD. (BRIEF PAUSE.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: NOW, DETECTIVE YESTERDAY YOU TOLD US THAT THE BLOOD TRAIL AT BUNDY ENDED AT THE APRON BEHIND 875 SOUTH BUNDY; IS THAT CORRECT? A YES. Q OKAY. IF YOU RECALL, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE -- THE BLOOD DROP CLOSEST TO THE REAR OF THE BRONCO LOCATED AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM? A THE DISTANCE FROM THE REAR OF THE BRONCO TO THE BLOOD DROP? Q YEAH, YEAH. A I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY. I WOULD HAVE TO ESTIMATE THAT. Q WELL, GO AHEAD. ESTIMATE. A OH, PROBABLY THREE, FOUR FEET MAYBE. Q OKAY. SO YOU PICK UP THE TRAIL AT THE REAR OF THE BRONCO AT ROCKINGHAM? A YES. Q OKAY. NOW, YOU TOLD US A MOMENT AGO THAT THE BLOOD TRAIL -- THAT YOU FOLLOWED THE BLOOD TRAIL INTO THE FRONT DOOR? A I FOLLOWED IT TO THE FRONT DOOR. AT THAT POINT OTHER DETECTIVES WERE THERE AND POINTED OUT BLOOD SPOTS RIGHT IN THE FOYER OF THE HOME TO ME. Q OTHER DETECTIVES POINTED OUT BLOOD DROPS INSIDE MR. SIMPSON'S HOME? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) MR. DARDEN: PEOPLE'S 112, YOUR HONOR. Q DETECTIVE, SHOWING YOU A PHOTOGRAPH PREVIOUSLY MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 112, WHAT IS DEPICTED IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A THAT PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE FOYER AREA OF MR. SIMPSON'S HOME AND IT SHOWS A CRIMINALIST EVIDENCE TAG OF AN AREA THAT CONTAINED WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD DROPS. MR. DARDEN: OKAY. YOUR HONOR, WE HAVE A SECOND PHOTOGRAPH. IT HAS NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY MARKED. MAY IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 121? THE COURT: YES. (PEO'S 121 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: AND SHOWING YOU WHAT HAS BEEN MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 121, DETECTIVE, WHAT IS DEPICTED IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A THAT IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE APPARENT BLOOD DROPS THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPH ON A CLOSER PERSPECTIVE. Q AND THESE BLOOD DROPS ARE LOCATED INSIDE THE FOYER OF MR. SIMPSON'S HOME? A INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR, YES, SIR. Q DID YOU CONTINUE TO SEARCH THAT AREA FOR OTHER BLOOD DROPS? A NOT AT THAT POINT, NO. Q WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? A I HAD OTHER DETECTIVES THAT HAD ARRIVED AND I HAD A UNIFORMED OR A COUPLE OF UNIFORMED OFFICERS THERE. I INFORMED THEM THAT IT WAS NOW A CRIME SCENE, TO SEAL IT, NOT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL I RETURNED, THAT I WAS GOING TO DO A SEARCH WARRANT TO GET INTO THE RESIDENCE. Q WEREN'T YOU ALREADY INSIDE THE RESIDENCE? A YES, BUT I HADN'T SEARCHED IT. Q NOW, WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU TOLD THE OTHER DETECTIVES TO SEAL THE LOCATION, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? A NOT LET ANYONE IN OR -- INTO THE LOCATION TO CONTAMINATE ANY POSSIBLE EVIDENCE THAT MAY BE THERE. Q WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? A I HAD -- I HAD OBSERVED THAT ARNELLE SIMPSON HAD RETURNED TO THE LOCATION WITH A MAN THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY IDENTIFIED AS AL COWLINGS WITH THE TWO MINOR CHILDREN. I SPOKE WITH MR. COWLINGS AND ASKED HIM IF THERE WAS A PLACE THAT THEY COULD GO TO LEAVE THE RESIDENCE BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE SEALED AS A CRIME SCENE AND HE STATED "YES" AND THEY LEFT. Q WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, DETECTIVE? A I LEFT THE LOCATION AT APPROXIMATELY 7:30. Q WAS THE CRIMINALIST ALREADY THERE? A OH, YES. Q OKAY. WHAT WAS HE DOING AT 7:30, IF YOU KNOW? A WELL, AT -- WHEN HE ARRIVED I HAD SHOWN HIM THE EVIDENCE THAT HAD BEEN DISCOVERED. I TOLD HIM THAT I WANTED IT TAGGED, PHOTOGRAPHED AND TO BE COLLECTED BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE ELEMENTS AND THERE WAS A DOG RUNNING LOOSE ON THE PROPERTY, AND HE WAS WORKING AT THAT WHEN I LEFT. Q OKAY. NOW, WHERE WAS DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WHEN YOU LEFT THE PROPERTY AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING? A THE LAST TIME I SAW DETECTIVE FUHRMAN HE WAS WITH DETECTIVE ROBERTS BY THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RESIDENCE. Q TO GO BACK FOR A MOMENT TO YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MR. KAELIN, AT ANY TIME DID YOU ASK MR. KAELIN IF THERE WAS AN EXTRA SET OF KEYS TO THE BRONCO? A YES. Q DID HE RESPOND? A YES. Q WHAT DID HE SAY? A HE CONDUCTED A SEARCH OF THE KITCHEN AREA WHERE EXTRA KEYS TO THE VEHICLE WERE NORMALLY KEPT. NONE WERE FOUND. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, WE HAVE ANOTHER BOARD. IT IS ENTITLED "BRONCO EVIDENCE." MAY IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 122? THE COURT: PEOPLE'S 122. (PEO'S 122 FOR ID = POSTERBOARD W/PHOTOS) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, BEFORE YOU STEP DOWN, YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY -- I'M SORRY -- YOU TOLD US THIS MORNING THAT YOU HAD ASKED DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TO RETURN TO BUNDY TO LOOK AT THE GLOVE AT BUNDY? A YES. Q HAD HE RETURNED FROM BUNDY BY THE TIME YOU LEFT AT 7:30? A YES. Q WHEN IN PROXIMITY IN TIME TO YOUR DEPARTURE FROM ROCKINGHAM DID DETECTIVE FUHRMAN RETURN? A (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) Q IF YOU KNOW? A HE ARRIVED, I BELIEVE, ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THE CRIMINALIST OR SHORTLY AFTER THE CRIMINALIST, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 7:10 TO 7:15. Q DETECTIVE, IF YOU WILL STEP DOWN FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE. A YES, SIR. MR. SHAPIRO: YOUR HONOR, I WOULD OBJECT TO HIM STEPPING DOWN. THE OBJECTION WOULD BE IT WOULD BE LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE UNTIL HE TESTIFIES. THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE WITNESS: (WITNESS COMPLIES.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, SHOWING YOU THE BOARD MARKED PEOPLE'S 122 AND ENTITLED "BRONCO EVIDENCE," FIRST, IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, DOES THAT PHOTOGRAPH DEPICT THE BRONCO YOU SAW PARKED AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM? A IT WOULD APPEAR TO, YES. Q AND SHOWING YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH MARKED A ON PEOPLE'S 122, WHAT IS SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A THAT IS THE INSIDE OF THE DRIVER'S DOOR OF THE VEHICLE. Q AND THE WHITE TAGS? DO YOU SEE WHITE TAGS IN PHOTOGRAPH A? A YES, I DO. Q AND WHAT ARE THOSE TAGS INTENDED TO INDICATE? A THOSE ARE CRIMINALIST'S EVIDENCE TAGS THAT ARE PLACED THERE WHERE EVIDENCE IS LOCATED ON THE INSIDE OF THE VEHICLE. THAT IS TO PHOTOGRAPH AND DOCUMENT THE LOCATION OF THE ITEMS. Q OKAY. WHAT ITEMS ARE BEING MARKED IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH? A THERE IS BLOOD, WHAT APPEARS TO BE BLOOD AT THESE AREAS INSIDE THE DOOR OF THE CAR. Q DID YOU SEE THAT BLOOD IN THE BRONCO? A I SAW -- I SAW BLOOD INSIDE THE BRONCO ON THE DRIVER'S DOOR HERE ALONG THE TOP, (INDICATING), AND ALONG THIS AREA HERE, (INDICATING). Q YOU ARE INDICATING -- A 21 AND 22. Q OKAY. YOU ALSO SEE AN EVIDENCE TAG NO. 23 IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH; IS THAT RIGHT? A YES, SIR. Q DID YOU SEE BLOOD AT THAT LOCATION? A I -- I -- I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT THERE. THERE WAS -- NO, NOT AT THAT TIME. I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT THERE. Q OKAY. AND DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO PHOTOGRAPH B. A YES, SIR. Q WHAT IS SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A THAT IS THE CONSOLE AREA PASSENGER SIDE OF THE VEHICLE. Q AND THERE ARE TWO EVIDENCE TAGS, (INDICATING), IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH AS WELL; IS THAT CORRECT? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES. Q TAG NUMBERS 31 AND 30? A YES. Q WHAT ARE THEY INTENDED TO INDICATE? A AGAIN, THEY ARE CRIMINALIST EVIDENCE TAGS TO INDICATE THE LOCATION OF EVIDENCE AND TO DOCUMENT ITS LOCATION WHEN IT IS PHOTOGRAPHED. Q NOW, DETECTIVE, YOU TOLD US A MOMENT AGO THAT YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE PASSENGER WINDOW INSIDE THE VEHICLE; IS THAT RIGHT? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q OKAY. DID YOU EVER LOOK INSIDE THE VEHICLE FROM ANY OTHER PERSPECTIVE? A I -- I DID A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT MORNING, YES, BUT EARLIER IN THE MORNING. Q AND YOU ALSO TESTIFIED THAT YOU ASKED MR. KAELIN IF THERE WAS AN EXTRA SET OF KEYS TO THE BRONCO? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q WHY DID YOU ASK HIM FOR AN EXTRA SET OF KEYS? A THE VEHICLE WAS LOCKED. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO GET INTO THE VEHICLE. Q ALL RIGHT. DID YOU TOUCH THE DOOR HANDLE? A NO, I DID NOT. Q HOW DO YOU KNOW THE VEHICLE WAS LOCKED? A YOU COULD TELL BY LOOKING AT THE KNOBS, THE LOCK KNOBS, THAT THE VEHICLE WAS LOCKED, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT WAS BEING PRESERVED AS EVIDENCE. I ASKED FOR THE KEYS BECAUSE I KNEW THE VEHICLE WAS GOING TO BE IMPOUNDED AND IT WOULD HAVE MADE IT EASIER FOR THE TOW TRUCK DRIVER TO HAVE IMPOUNDED IT IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE KEYS. Q NOW, REFERRING YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN TO PHOTOGRAPH A, DO YOU SEE ANY PORTION OF THE DOOR LOCK IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A YES. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE, (INDICATING). Q DID YOU EVER SEE ANYONE OPEN THE DOOR TO THE BRONCO THAT MORNING? A NO. Q DID YOU EVER SEE DETECTIVE FUHRMAN OPEN THE DOOR? A NO. Q DID YOU EVER OPEN THE DOOR? A NO. Q DID YOU EVER SEE ANYONE WIPE A BLOODY GLOVE AROUND INSIDE THAT VEHICLE? A NO. Q NOW, THE PHOTOGRAPHS CONTAINED ON PEOPLE'S 122, WERE THEY TAKEN AT ROCKINGHAM? A YES. I -- I -- NO, NO. LET ME CORRECT THAT. THEY WERE TAKEN THE FOLLOWING MORNING AT THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT PRINT SHACK WHERE WE HAD THE VEHICLE TOWED TO. Q NOW, YOU TOLD US A MOMENT AGO THAT YOU COULD NOT SEE THE EVIDENCE MARKED WITH THE NO. 23; IS THAT RIGHT? A I -- I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT DOWN THERE. I -- I COULD HAVE, BUT I DON'T RECALL AT THIS POINT. Q OKAY. YOU DIDN'T OPEN THE DOOR TO LOOK? A NO. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: COULD YOU SEE EACH AND EVERY AREA, EACH SQUARE INCH OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BRONCO? A NO, I COULD NOT. Q YOU ALWAYS REMAINED OUTSIDE? A YES. Q ARE THE WINDOWS TINTED AT ALL? A TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT REALLY POSITIVE ON THAT. Q THANK YOU, DETECTIVE. YOU CAN RETAKE THE STAND? A (WITNESS COMPLIES.) MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, MAY WE SHOW THE BOARD TO THE REST OF THE JURY? THE COURT: YES. (BRIEF PAUSE.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: NOW, THE WHITE -- THE WHITE MARKERS WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, THOSE ARE EVIDENCE MARKERS? A YES, THAT'S CORRECT. Q OKAY. WERE THOSE ITEMS COLLECTED? A YES. Q COLLECTED BY THE CRIMINALIST? A YES. Q AND I'M REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO PEOPLE'S 122, THE BRONCO BOARD. A YES. Q NOW, YOU EARLIER TOLD US THAT MR. SIMPSON WAS NOT A SUSPECT. THAT IS WHILE YOU WERE AT BUNDY; IS THAT CORRECT? A AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU ASKING ME, SIR? Q OKAY. WELL, AFTER YOUR FIRST WALK THROUGH AT BUNDY WAS HE A SUSPECT? A NO. Q AND WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED AT ROCKINGHAM WAS HE A SUSPECT? A NO. Q DURING THE TIME THAT YOU WERE RINGING THE BUZZER AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WAS HE A SUSPECT THEN? A NO. Q AND WHEN YOU RANG THE FRONT DOOR AT ROCKINGHAM, WAS HE A SUSPECT THEN? A NO. Q AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID YOU CONSIDER HIM A SUSPECT? A ABSOLUTELY, YES. Q AND AT WHAT POINT IN TIME WAS -- WAS IT THAT YOU CONSIDERED HIM A SUSPECT? A HE BECOME A SUSPECT AS SOON AS I SAW THE GLOVE AT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. IT APPEARED TO BE A MATCH TO THE GLOVE -- THE OPPOSITE GLOVE TO THE GLOVE THAT I HAD SEEN EARLIER AT BUNDY. AND THEN AFTER COMING OUT INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND FINDING THE BLOOD TRAIL, HE BECAME A VERY STRONG SUSPECT. Q AND HOW, IF AT ALL, DID YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF THE BLOOD INSIDE THE BRONCO FIGURE INTO YOUR DECISION THAT MR. SIMPSON WAS A SUSPECT? A THAT APPEARED TO BE THE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION -- THE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT HAD TRANSPORTED THE BLOOD TRAIL FROM BUNDY TO ROCKINGHAM. Q NOW, DID YOU TESTIFY EARLIER THAT YOU DECLARED ROCKINGHAM A CRIME SCENE? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q NOW, AT THAT POINT, WHAT WERE YOUR INVESTIGATIVE CONCERNS? A AT WHAT POINT, SIR? Q AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT YOU DECLARED ROCKINGHAM A CRIME SCENE. A AT THAT POINT MY INVESTIGATIVE CONCERNS WAS TO ENSURE THAT THE LOCATION WAS SECURED, THAT THERE WAS NO DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE AND TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION BY GETTING A SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE RESIDENCE. Q OKAY. AND DID YOU OBTAIN A SEARCH WARRANT? A I DID. Q OKAY. DID YOU CONSIDER THE BRONCO EVIDENCE AT ALL? A OH, ABSOLUTELY, YES. Q OKAY. NOW, WHAT STEPS DID YOU TAKE TO PRESERVE THE BRONCO? A I HAD A UNIFORMED OFFICER STATIONED ON THE VEHICLE WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO PROTECT IT, NOT TO LET ANYONE APPROACH OR DO ANYTHING WITH THE VEHICLE. Q OKAY. WELL, YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWN BY THE DEFENSE IN THIS CASE? A I HAVE. Q DID YOU SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE WOMAN PEERING THROUGH THE WINDOW OF THE BRONCO? A YES. Q HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, IF YOU KNOW? A WELL, I DON'T -- I WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW, BUT IT UPSETS ME THAT IT DID HAPPEN. Q AND IN TERMS OF OBTAINING A SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE PROPERTY, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU DO? A I LEFT THE LOCATION OF ROCKINGHAM, DROVE TO THE BUNDY LOCATION TO INFORM MY PARTNER VERY BRIEFLY OF WHAT I HAD FOUND, AND THEN PROCEEDED TO WEST L.A. STATION WHERE I SAT DOWN AND WORKED ON THE WARRANT. Q NOW, DID YOU ACTUALLY LEAVE ROCKINGHAM AT 7:30 A.M. THAT MORNING? A APPROXIMATELY 7:30, YES. Q OKAY. WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE BUNDY, THE SECOND TIME? A PROBABLY 7:45. Q OKAY. SO YOU LEFT DETECTIVE LANGE'S PRESENCE AT 7:45? A APPROXIMATELY 7:45, YES. Q AND WHERE DID YOU GO AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME? A TO WEST LOS ANGELES STATION. Q WHAT TIME DID YOU ARRIVE THERE? A CLOSE TO EIGHT O'CLOCK. Q AND YOU RETURNED TO ROCKINGHAM AT SOME POINT? A YES. Q AND WHY DID YOU GO BACK TO ROCKINGHAM? A I HAD A SEARCH WARRANT. Q AND WHAT TIME DID YOU RETURN TO ROCKINGHAM? A APPROXIMATELY NOON. Q NOW, PRIOR TO RETURNING TO ROCKINGHAM WITH A SEARCH WARRANT DID YOU STOP AGAIN AT THE BUNDY LOCATION? A YES, I DID. Q OKAY. WHY DID YOU STOP THERE? A TO INFORM MY PARTNER THAT I HAD A SEARCH WARRANT AND THAT I WAS GOING TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION TO HAVE THAT EXECUTED. Q AND WHEN YOU RETURNED TO ROCKINGHAM AT APPROXIMATELY NOON THAT DAY WERE OTHER DETECTIVES AT THE LOCATION? A YES. Q WAS DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THERE? A YES. Q WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE OTHER DETECTIVES THAT WERE AT ROCKINGHAM AT THAT TIME? A DETECTIVE ROBERTS WAS THERE, DETECTIVE LUPER, DETECTIVE LEFALL, AND I DON'T RECALL ANY OTHER DETECTIVES AT THAT POINT. Q WERE THERE SOME UNIFORMED OFFICERS AT THE LOCATION AT THAT TIME? A YES. Q HOW MANY UNIFORMED OFFICERS WERE THERE AT THE LOCATION AT THAT TIME? A I ONLY SAW TWO OR POSSIBLY THREE. THERE WERE TWO AT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE AT THE ASHFORD GATE, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THAT. Q ARE YOU ACQUAINTED WITH OFFICER THOMPSON? A I NOW KNOW WHO HE IS, YES. Q OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU SEE HIM AT THE LOCATION, THAT IS, AT ROCKINGHAM WHEN YOU RETURNED AT 12:00 NOON? A I DID. Q AND WAS A SEARCH CONDUCTED OF MR. SIMPSON'S HOME AT THAT TIME? A SHORTLY AFTER THAT, YES. Q OKAY. DID YOU CONDUCT THAT SEARCH PERSONALLY? A I DID NOT. Q WHO CONDUCTED THE SEARCH, IF YOU KNOW? A THE SEARCH WAS -- I TURNED OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SEARCH AND THE SEARCH WARRANT TO DETECTIVE LUPER FROM ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION. Q AND WHY DID YOU DO THAT, DETECTIVE? A BECAUSE I HAD TO LEAVE THE LOCATION. MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: JUST ONE MORE MOMENT IF I MAY, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (BRIEF PAUSE.) (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, YOU TOLD US THAT MR. SIMPSON BECAME A SUSPECT AFTER YOU FOUND -- OR RATHER AFTER DETECTIVE FUHRMAN FOUND THE GLOVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY; IS THAT CORRECT? A AFTER IT WAS SHOWN TO ME HE BECAME A SUSPECT TO ME, YES. Q OKAY. AND NOT BEFORE THAT? A NO. MR. DARDEN: MAY WE APPROACH OFF THE RECORD FOR A MOMENT? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE IS SOMETHING I NEED TO LOOK AT OUT OF YOUR PRESENCE AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STEP BACK. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROBLEM THAT YOU BUZZED ABOUT HASN'T BEEN FIXED YET BUT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR BREAK AT NOON, THOUGH. SO IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, I'M SURE WE SHOULD HAVE A HALL MONITOR FOR THE FACILITIES, BUT IT SHOULD ONLY BE ABOUT THREE TO FIVE MINUTES. SO IF YOU WILL JUST STEP BACK INTO THE JURY ROOM, PLEASE. (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, OUT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:) THE COURT: MISS FORD, ARE YOU FORGETTING SOMETHING? MS. FORD: PARDON? THE COURT: ARE YOU FORGETTING SOMETHING? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. MR. DARDEN, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SHOW US? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE JURY HAS LEFT THE COURTROOM. (AT 11:21.M. A VIDEOTAPE WAS PLAYED.) (AT 11:24 A.M. THE PLAYING OF THE VIDEOTAPE CONCLUDED.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. DARDEN. ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE DEFENSE? MR. SHAPIRO: YES, YOUR HONOR, WE WOULD OBJECT. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THE OBJECTION? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) MR. SHAPIRO: YOUR HONOR, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN. THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN HE WASN'T ARRESTED UNTIL THE 17TH, HE WASN'T CHARGED, AND PREVIOUS TESTIMONY FROM PREVIOUS WITNESSES HAVE BEEN THAT HE WAS NOT UNDER ARREST. AND THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ACCURATELY -- THIS GIVES A FALSE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS ARRESTED, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY. THE COURT: BUT WE HAVE A CONCEPT IN THE LAW OF ARREST AND DETENTION, THE CONCEPT OF DETENTION SHORT OF ARREST, DON'T WE? MR. SHAPIRO: WELL, WE HAVE NO TESTIMONY TO THAT YET, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PERHAPS. MR. SHAPIRO: THERE IS NO FOUNDATION. THE COURT: AT THIS POINT. MR. DARDEN. MR. DARDEN: WELL, DETECTIVE VANNATTER IS HERE TO EXPLAIN THE VIDEO AND TO EXPLAIN TO US WHETHER OR NOT MR. SIMPSON WAS PLACED UNDER ARREST OR DETAINED, AND HE IS ALSO HERE TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW IT IS THAT MR. SIMPSON BECAME UNHANDCUFFED. CERTAINLY HE IS COMPETENT TO TESTIFY TO ALL OF THESE THINGS. HE IS A POLICE OFFICER. MR. SHAPIRO: WE WOULD -- I'M SORRY, ARE YOU DONE? WE WOULD ALSO, YOUR HONOR, OBJECT TO ANY OF THE AUDIO PORTIONS OF THAT TAPE WITH A REPORTER ASKING QUESTIONS, WITH MR. WEITZMAN MAKING SOME STATEMENTS TO HIS CLIENT, WHICH ARE PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS, AND ARE ALL HEARSAY STATEMENTS. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. I THINK THE AUDIO IS PREDOMINANTLY STILL CAMERAS CLICKING AND SOMEBODY'S ELECTRICAL GENERATOR. DO YOU NEED THE AUDIO ON THIS, MR. DARDEN? MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE HOME, YOUR HONOR? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: WE OVERHEAR NO CONVERSATIONS. MR. SHAPIRO: IF THEY DON'T HEAR CONVERSATIONS, THEN THERE WILL BE NO OBJECTION TO NOT HAVING THE AUDIO. THE COURT: MR. DARDEN? MR. DARDEN: I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T HEAR ANY CONVERSATIONS OR I DIDN'T HEAR A CONVERSATION BETWEEN MR. WEITZMAN AND MR. SIMPSON. THE COURT: DO YOU WANT THE -- MR. DARDEN: YOU TELL ME. MAYBE I'M WRONG. THE COURT: DO YOU WANT THE AUDIO? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: NOT AT THIS TIME, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION TO THE TAPE AT THIS TIME UNTIL THERE IS A FOUNDATION FOR WHAT IT DEPICTS. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. SHAPIRO: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE JURORS. (BRIEF PAUSE.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY PROCEED, MR. DARDEN. MR. DARDEN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. Q DETECTIVE, WHEN YOU ARRIVED BACK AT ROCKINGHAM, YOU SAY YOU ARRIVED AT TWELVE O'CLOCK NOON? A APPROXIMATELY NOON, YES. Q OKAY. AND WAS MR. SIMPSON THERE AT THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME? A NO. Q OKAY. DID YOU SEE MR. SIMPSON AT ROCKINGHAM SOMETIME THAT DAY? A YES. Q AND DO YOU RECALL WHAT TIME AT ALL? A APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES OR SO AFTER I ARRIVED. Q OKAY. AND WAS HE CARRYING ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW? A WHEN I FIRST SAW HIM? Q YES. A NO, SIR. Q DID YOU SEE ANY LAWYERS ON THE PROPERTY OR ANYONE YOU KNEW TO BE A LAWYER ON THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME? A I SAW A LAWYER BY THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, YES. Q OKAY. DID YOU RECOGNIZE THAT LAWYER? A I DID. Q THIS LAWYER WAS A LAWYER YOU HAD SEEN IN THE PAST? A YES. Q AND WHO WAS THAT LAWYER? A HOWARD WEITZMAN. Q WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT NOON DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. WEITZMAN AT ALL? A JUST TO GREET HIM, JUST HELLO TYPE CONVERSATION. Q OKAY. DID YOU ALLOW MR. WEITZMAN TO WALK ONTO THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME, THAT IS, AT 12:00 NOON? A NO. Q AND WHY NOT? A BECAUSE IT WAS A SEALED CRIME SCENE. Q OKAY. DID HE ASK PERMISSION TO WALK ONTO THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME? A NO. Q WHERE WAS MR. SIMPSON THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW HIM THAT DAY? A WALKING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE. Q AND COULD YOU SEE HIS HANDS AT THAT TIME? A I COULD. Q WHERE WERE THEY? A HE WAS HANDCUFFED. Q HAD YOU HANDCUFFED MR. SIMPSON? A NO. Q SOMEONE ELSE HAD HANDCUFFED HIM? A APPARENTLY. I DIDN'T. Q OKAY. HAD YOU ORDERED SOMEONE TO HANDCUFF HIM? A NO. Q HAD YOU ORDERED SOMEONE OR ANYONE TO ARREST HIM? A NO. Q IF YOU KNOW, DETECTIVE, HOW IS IT THAT THIS DEFENDANT WAS HANDCUFFED THAT DAY? A WHEN I ARRIVED -- MR. SHAPIRO: I'M GOING TO OBJECT, YOUR HONOR, SPECULATION. THE COURT: SUSTAINED. Q BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. YOU TOLD US A WHILE AGO THAT YOU WERE ACQUAINTED WITH OFFICER THOMPSON? A I AM NOW; I WASN'T THEN. Q DID YOU SPEAK TO OFFICER THOMPSON WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT NOON? A YES. Q OKAY. DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO SOMETHING? A I DID. Q WHAT DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO? A TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. SIMPSON WASN'T ABLE TO ENTER THE PROPERTY IF HE SHOWED UP THERE. Q DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO ANYTHING ELSE? A I ASKED HIM TO DETAIN HIM THERE IN FRONT AND LET ME KNOW THAT HE WAS THERE. Q YOU ASKED OFFICER THOMPSON TO DETAIN MR. SIMPSON? A YES AND LET ME KNOW THAT HE WAS PRESENT. Q AND YOU HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER HOW MANY YEARS NOW, DETECTIVE? A OVER 26. Q OKAY. THIS TERM THAT YOU JUST USED, "DETAINED," WHAT DID THAT TERM MEAN TO YOU? A IT JUST MEANS TO ASK A PERSON OR HAVE A PERSON STAY AT A CERTAIN LOCATION. IT IS NOT PHYSICALLY PUTTING HIM UNDER ARREST OR TAKING HIM INTO CUSTODY. Q WELL, WHEN YOU TOLD OFFICER THOMPSON TO DETAIN MR. SIMPSON IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, DID YOU INTEND TO CONVEY TO HIM THAT HE SHOULD HANDCUFF MR. SIMPSON? A NO, SIR. Q OKAY. DID YOU EVER USE THE TERM "HANDCUFF" OR THE WORD "HANDCUFF" WHEN YOU POSED THIS QUESTION TO OFFICER THOMPSON? A NO. Q WHEN YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON HANDCUFFED ON THE PROPERTY, THAT FIRST TIME, WAS HE IN THE COMPANY OF SOMEONE? A OFFICER THOMPSON. Q AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU SAW THE DEFENDANT HANDCUFFED WITH OFFICER THOMPSON? A I WENT OUT TO HIS LOCATION. Q AND DOES THAT MEAN YOU WENT TO MR. SIMPSON? A YES. I EXITED THE RESIDENCE AND WALKED TO WHERE MR. SIMPSON WAS. Q OKAY. NOW, WHERE WAS MR. WEITZMAN AT THAT TIME? A HE WAS STILL AT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE. Q OKAY. AND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, OCCURRED WHEN YOU WALKED OVER TO MR. SIMPSON? A I EXPLAINED THE REASON I WAS THERE, WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND MR. SIMPSON'S ATTORNEY CAME WALKING UP AND ASKED IF HE COULD JOIN THE CONVERSATION AND I SAID YES. Q OKAY. DID MR. WEITZMAN ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING? A YES. Q WHAT DID HE ASK YOU TO DO? A HE ASKED ME TO TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF. Q DID YOU HAVE THE KEY TO THE HANDCUFFS? A I HAVE A HANDCUFF KEY, YES. Q DID YOU TAKE THE CUFFS OFF? A YES. Q WHY DID YOU TAKE THE CUFFS OFF MR. SIMPSON? A BECAUSE HE WAS NOT UNDER ARREST AT THAT TIME. Q BUT YOU CONSIDERED HIM A SUSPECT; IS THAT CORRECT? A HE WAS A VERY STRONG SUSPECT. Q YOU CONSIDERED HIM A SUSPECT IN TWO BRUTAL MURDERS? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q WHY DIDN'T YOU ARREST HIM AT THAT TIME? A WELL, KNOWING THE SITUATION THAT I WAS IN, THE AMOUNT OF PRESS THAT WAS PRESENT, I FELT IT BETTER TO CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION AND OBTAIN ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE, SUCH AS SEROLOGY EVIDENCE, BEFORE PRESENTING THE CASE TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR FILING. I REALIZE I ONLY HAVE A 48-HOUR TIME FRAME TO PUT TOGETHER AND FILE A CRIMINAL CASE IF A PERSON IS IN CUSTODY. Q WHY WAS THE MEDIA'S PRESENCE AT ALL A FACTOR IN THE DECISION TO TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF? A JUST THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF MEDIA THAT WAS PRESENT. IT IS -- IT HAD TURNED INTO A MEDIA FEST, AND WITH WHO I WAS DEALING WITH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD A SUFFICIENT CASE BEFORE PRESENTING THAT CASE TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR FILING. AGAIN, I REALIZE I ONLY HAVE 48 HOURS TO EITHER FILE THE CASE OR TURN THE PERSON LOOSE AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE ME LONGER THAN THAT, PROBABLY AN ADDITIONAL DAY PAST THAT, TO GET ANY KIND OF SEROLOGY TESTING DONE. THAT IS WHY I DIDN'T PLACE HIM UNDER ARREST AT THAT POINT. MR. SHAPIRO: MOTION TO STRIKE, NONRESPONSIVE. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE JURY IS TO DISREGARD THE ANSWER AFTER "AGAIN I REALIZE I ONLY HAVE 48 HOURS," THAT PART IS STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD AS BEING NONRESPONSIVE. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: IF I CAN GO BACK AND ASK THAT SAME QUESTION, YOUR HONOR. THE COURT: YOU ASKED HIM IF THE MEDIA HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS DECISION NOT TO ARREST. HE TOLD US ABOUT IT BEING A MEDIA FEST. MR. DARDEN: YOU STRUCK THE ENTIRE ANSWER, DID YOU? THE COURT: NO. I STRUCK AGAIN FROM "AGAIN I KNEW I ONLY HAD 48 HOURS," THAT PART, SINCE THE JURY HAS HEARD IT ONCE ALREADY. MR. DARDEN: OKAY. Q DETECTIVE VANNATTER, WHEN YOU RELEASED THE HANDCUFFS FROM MR. -- MR. SIMPSON'S WRIST, DID YOU HAVE THE SEROLOGY RESULTS, TEST RESULTS? MR. SHAPIRO: OBJECTION, LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE. THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE WITNESS: NO. Q BY MR. DARDEN: CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO EVALUATE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE YOU HAD UP TO THAT POINT? A I HAD ENOUGH PROBABLE CAUSE TO MAKE AN ARREST, ABSOLUTELY, BUT I WANTED TO CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION TO -- TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING I HAD WAS WHAT I BELIEVED I HAD, AND TO ENSURE THAT I HAD A CASE FOR FILING WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED. MR. SHAPIRO: MOTION TO STRIKE AS NONRESPONSIVE. THE COURT: OVERRULED. Q BY MR. DARDEN: SO DO I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY, DETECTIVE, THAT IN YOUR MIND YOU COULD HAVE ARRESTED MR. SIMPSON AT THAT TIME? A OH, ABSOLUTELY I COULD HAVE, YES. MR. DARDEN: CAN I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: YOU REALIZED THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS A CELEBRITY, DID YOU? A YES. MR. SHAPIRO: OBJECTION, LEADING. THE COURT: OVERRULED. Q BY MR. DARDEN: WHAT SIGNIFICANCE, IF ANY, DID YOU ATTACH TO HIS CELEBRITY STATUS AT THAT TIME? A CELEBRITY STATUS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY FEELINGS REGARDING ARRESTING OR FILING CRIMINAL CHARGES ON SOMEONE. THAT MEANT NOTHING TO ME, THE FACT THAT HE WAS A CELEBRITY. WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN WAS KNOWING THE FILING POLICY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CASE WAS A FILEABLE CASE BEFORE THE ARREST WAS MADE. Q IS THAT WHAT YOU DO IN ALL CASES, DETECTIVE? A ABSOLUTELY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: YOU MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO THAT HAD YOU ARRESTED MR. SIMPSON THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE FILED A CASE WITHIN 48 HOURS; IS THAT CORRECT? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q YOU HAVE SENT BLOOD AND BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE TO THE LAB, TO THE CRIME LAB IN THE PAST FOR ANALYSIS; IS THAT RIGHT? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q AND IS THERE A STANDARD TIME OR STANDARD TURN-AROUND TIME WHEN YOU SEND EVIDENCE TO THE CRIME LAB? A NO. IT VARIES FROM CASE TO CASE. I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, IN MY CAREER. Q DID YOU EVER GET ANYTHING BACK THE SAME DAY? A NEVER. Q AND YOU KNEW THAT? A I KNEW THAT. Q NOW, DID YOU HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH MR. WEITZMAN AFTER YOU TOOK THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE DEFENDANT? A YES. Q AND DID YOU ASK HIM TO DO SOMETHING? A YES. Q WHAT DID YOU ASK MR. WEITZMAN TO DO? A TO FOLLOW ME TO PARKER CENTER. Q WHY? A HE WANTED TO BE WITH HIS CLIENT, MR. SIMPSON. Q YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE MR. SIMPSON TO PARKER CENTER? A YES. Q WAS HE UNDER ARREST? A NO. Q WAS HE FREE TO LEAVE? A IF HE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO AT THAT POINT HE COULD HAVE, YES. Q HE WAS FREE TO LEAVE DESPITE YOUR BELIEF? A I HAD ASKED HIM VOLUNTARILY TO ACCOMPANY ME TO PARKER CENTER FOR AN INTERVIEW. HE AGREED TO. MR. WEITZMAN WANTED TO BE WITH HIM. I ASKED HIM TO FOLLOW ME TO PARKER CENTER. HE WAS NOT UNDER ARREST AT THAT POINT. Q AND DID YOU DRIVE THE DEFENDANT TO PARKER CENTER? A YES, SIR, I DID. Q AND WAS HE IN HANDCUFFS DURING THAT DRIVE? A HE WAS NOT. Q BUT HE WAS A SUSPECT? A YES. Q HAVE YOU IN THE PAST DRIVEN OTHER MURDER SUSPECTS TO THE POLICE STATION IN YOUR POLICE VEHICLE? A YES, MANY TIMES. Q AND DID YOU HANDCUFF THEM? A SOME OF THEM; NOT ALL OF THEM. Q DID MR. -- MR. WEITZMAN FOLLOW YOU AND THE DEFENDANT TO PARKER CENTER? A HE MET US AT PARKER CENTER, YES. Q OKAY. AND DID YOU HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH MR. WEITZMAN AT THAT TIME? A I DID. Q WHAT WAS THAT CONVERSATION? A HE REQUESTED -- MR. SHAPIRO: OBJECTION. OBJECTION. THE COURT: WHAT IS THE OBJECTION? MR. SHAPIRO: HEARSAY. THE COURT: SUSTAINED. Q BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU ASK MR. WEITZMAN TO DO ANYTHING? A MR. WEITZMAN ASKED ME TO DO SOMETHING. Q OKAY. WHAT DID HE ASK YOU TO DO? MR. SHAPIRO: OBJECTION, HEARSAY. MR. DARDEN: IT IS A QUESTION, YOUR HONOR. IT IS NOT OFFERED -- THE COURT: I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE HEARD. MR. DARDEN: OKAY. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WITH THE COURT REPORTER, PLEASE. (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD AT THE BENCH:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE QUESTION -- THE QUESTION WAS WHAT DID -- ABOUT WHAT MR. WEITZMAN SAID TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER. THE OBJECTION IS HEARSAY WHICH APPEARS TO BE WELL TAKEN. MR. DARDEN? MR. DARDEN: OKAY. WELL, THE QUESTION IS WHAT, IF ANYTHING, MR. WEITZMAN ASKED HIM TO DO IS THE QUESTION. IT IS NOT OFFERED FOR THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER STATED. QUESTIONS ARE NOT HEARSAY. THE COURT: ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT IS OFFERED TO EXPLAIN SUBSEQUENT ACTION? MR. DARDEN: AND TO -- YEAH, AND FOR STATE OF MIND. THE COURT: WHAT IS THE ANSWER GOING TO BE? MR. DARDEN: THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE THAT HE ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO SPEAK WITH HIS CLIENT ALONE FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, WHICH WAS GRANTED. THE COURT: OKAY. MR. DARDEN: AND HE IS GOING TO -- MR. SHAPIRO: MAY WE HAVE A MOMENT, PLEASE? (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) MR. SHAPIRO: YOUR HONOR, MAY WE ASK THE COURT TO INQUIRE WHAT THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WOULD BE, IF ANY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE AGAIN? THE COURT: FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? MR. DARDEN: DID HE ALLOW HIM TIME ALONE WITH HIS LAWYER. MR. SHAPIRO: FOLLOW-UP AFTER THAT. MR. COCHRAN: PUT THE STATEMENT IN. MR. SHAPIRO: THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? MR. DARDEN: I AM NOT ABOUT TO PUT THE STATEMENT IN, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. AFTER THE -- AFTER THEY REQUIRE -- AFTER WEITZMAN AND SIMPSON CONFER, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY HAVE AN INTERVIEW. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU GOING TO BRING THAT OUT? MR. DARDEN: WELL, THERE IS FURTHER CONVERSATION ACTUALLY. AFTER THAT HAPPENS THE DETECTIVE ASKED WEITZMAN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT DURING ANY SUBSEQUENT INTERVIEW, WHICH WEITZMAN SAID NO, AND HE ASKED WEITZMAN IF HE WOULD LIKE THE INTERVIEW TAPED. MR. SHAPIRO: WE WILL WITHDRAW OUR OBJECTION. THE COURT: OKAY. MR. DARDEN: AUDIOTAPED. THE COURT: OKAY. (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) THE COURT: COUNSEL, MR. DARDEN, PROCEED. MR. DARDEN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. Q DETECTIVE VANNATTER, YOU TESTIFIED A MOMENT AGO THAT MR. WEITZMAN ASKED YOU FOR SOMETHING OR TO DO SOMETHING? A YES. Q AND WHAT DID HE ASK? A HE ASKED TO SPEAK WITH HIS CLIENT AND FOR ME TO PROVIDE A ROOM FOR HIM TO SPEAK WITH HIM IN PRIVACY. Q AND DID YOU PROVIDE MR. WEITZMAN AND THE DEFENDANT A ROOM WHERE THEY COULD SPEAK PRIVATELY? A YES, MR. WEITZMAN, MR. SIMPSON AND ANOTHER MAN. Q AND WHO WAS THAT OTHER MAN? A AN ATTORNEY, I LATER LEARNED, SKIP TAFT. Q MR. SIMPSON'S BUSINESS LAWYER? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES. Q SO ALL THREE MEN, THE DEFENDANT AND MR. TAFT AND MR. WEITZMAN, WENT INTO A ROOM? A YES. Q DID THEY CLOSE THE DOOR? A YES. Q DID YOU WAIT FOR THEM? A YES. Q WHERE DID YOU WAIT FOR MR. WEITZMAN AND MR. TAFT AND THE DEFENDANT? A IN THE RECEPTION AREA OF ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION. Q DID YOU GUARD THE DOOR, THE DOOR -- THE DOOR LEADING -- THE DOOR LEADING TO THE ROOM THAT THEY WERE IN? A I COULD SEE THE DOOR, YES. I WAS IN THE SECRETARY'S AREA. THE INTERVIEW ROOMS ARE ALONG ONE WALL OF THAT AREA. Q OKAY. WAS THE DEFENDANT HANDCUFFED AT THAT TIME? A NO. Q WAS HE UNDER ARREST? A NO. Q HOW LONG DID MR. WEITZMAN AND MR. TAFT AND THE DEFENDANT REMAIN IN THAT ROOM? A PROBABLY TWENTY TO THIRTY MINUTES. Q DID YOU INTERRUPT THEM AT ANY TIME? A I DID NOT. Q DID YOU EVER ASK THEM TO HURRY UP? A NO. Q YOU NEVER ASKED THEM TO HURRY UP AND CONCLUDE THEIR CONVERSATION OR WHATEVER IT WAS THEY WERE DOING IN THERE? A NO. Q DID YOU OVERHEAR ANY PART OR ANY PORTION OF ANY CONVERSATION THE DEFENDANT HAD WITH HIS LAWYERS? A NO. Q DID YOU ATTEMPT TO? A NO. Q AT SOME POINT DID THE DEFENDANT AND MR. TAFT AND MR. WEITZMAN EXIT THE ROOM? A MR. WEITZMAN AND MR. TAFT DID. SIMPSON REMAINED IN THE ROOM. Q HAD YOU TOLD HIM EARLIER TO REMAIN IN THE ROOM? A WELL, I THINK THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD, THAT WE WERE GOING TO INTERVIEW HIM, YES. Q NOW, WHEN MR. WEITZMAN AND MR. TAFT CAME OUT OF THAT ROOM, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM? A YES. Q WHAT WAS THAT CONVERSATION? A THAT WE WANTED TO INTERVIEW HIS CLIENT. Q AND DID YOU MAKE ANY OFFERS AT ALL TO MR. WEITZMAN OR MR. TAFT AT THAT TIME? A YES. Q AND WHAT WAS THAT? A I INVITED MR. WEITZMAN TO STAY IF HE WANTED TO. Q DID YOU EVER TELL MR. WEITZMAN THAT HE COULD NOT BE PRESENT DURING ANY INTERVIEW OR CONVERSATION YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH THE DEFENDANT? A I DID NOT. Q AND WHEN YOU TOLD MR. WEITZMAN THAT HE COULD REMAIN, IF HE WANTED TO, WHAT DID HE SAY? A HE SAID HE DIDN'T NEED TO. THE ONLY PARAMETERS HE WANTED WAS FOR ME TO TAPE-RECORD THE CONVERSATION. Q MR. WEITZMAN SAY WHERE HE WAS GOING? A YEAH. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GO TO LUNCH. Q AND WAS MR. TAFT PRESENT DURING THIS CONVERSATION? A YES. Q AND WHAT DID MR. WEITZMAN DO AFTER HE TOLD YOU THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO TO LUNCH? A I OBSERVED HIM AND MR. TAFT LEAVE THE AREA THAT I WAS IN HEADED TOWARD THE EXIT OF THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. Q HOW LONG WAS MR. SIMPSON, THE DEFENDANT, AT PARKER CENTER THAT AFTERNOON, IF YOU KNOW? A THREE TO THREE AND A HALF HOURS, APPROXIMATELY. Q AND WHAT TIME DID YOU AND THE DEFENDANT ARRIVE AT PARKER CENTER, IF YOU RECALL? A I BELIEVE IT WAS -- I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND 12:40, 12:45, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. Q WHAT TIME DID MR. SIMPSON LEAVE PARKER CENTER THAT DAY? A I BELIEVE 3:30, THE AREA OF 3:30, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. Q AND WAS THE MEDIA PRESENT OUTSIDE PARKER CENTER WHEN YOU ARRIVED? A YES. Q AND WERE THEY PRESENT WHEN MR. SIMPSON LEFT? A YES. Q AND WHEN MR. SIMPSON LEFT PARKER CENTER, WAS HE IN POLICE CUSTODY? A NO. Q WAS HE HANDCUFFED? A NO. Q DID HE LEAVE WITH YOU? A NO. Q WHO DID HE LEAVE WITH? A MR. WEITZMAN. Q IF WE CAN GO BACK A MOMENT TO THAT POINT IN TIME IN WHICH YOU REMOVED THE HANDCUFFS FROM THE DEFENDANT. AT THAT TIME DID YOU SEE THE DEFENDANT'S HAND? A YES. Q DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL? A YES. Q AND WHAT DID YOU NOTICE? A THAT HE HAD A BANDAGE ON THE MIDDLE FINGER OF HIS LEFT HAND ON THE UPPER KNUCKLE OF THE MIDDLE FINGER. Q AND DID YOU NOTE TO OBSERVE ANY INJURY TO THAT FINGER AT THAT TIME? A NOT AT THAT TIME. I DID SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, AFTER ARRIVING AT PARKER CENTER. Q OKAY. WELL, WHAT SIGNIFICANCE, IF ANY, DID YOU ATTACH TO YOUR INITIAL OBSERVATION OF THE BANDAGE? A IT APPEARED THAT HE HAD AN INJURED KNUCKLE ON THE LEFT MIDDLE FINGER OF HIS LEFT HAND. Q DID YOU CONSIDER THAT SIGNIFICANT AT ALL? A OH, I CERTAINLY DID, YES. Q AND WHAT -- WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DID YOU ATTACH TO THAT INJURY ON THE DEFENDANT'S LEFT HAND? MR. SHAPIRO: OBJECTION, IRRELEVANT. THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE WITNESS: WELL, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CRIME SCENE AT BUNDY, SEEING THE DISTINCT SINGLE SET OF SHOEPRINTS, BLOOD SHOEPRINTS LEADING AWAY WITH BLOOD DROPS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SHOEPRINTS AND THEN TRACKING THE BLOOD TRAIL BY VEHICLE TO ROCKINGHAM, PICKING UP THE BLOOD TRAIL AT ROCKINGHAM THAT WENT RIGHT INTO HIS HOUSE, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT -- THAT HE HAD THE INJURY THAT WAS -- THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED THOSE BLOOD DROPS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BLOODY FOOTPRINTS. Q DURING THE TIME THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS AT PARKER CENTER DID YOU PHOTOGRAPH HIS HANDS? A I DID. Q OKAY. DID YOU PHOTOGRAPH HIS HAND -- HIS LEFT HAND? A YES. Q AND DID YOU DO THAT PERSONALLY OR DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE DO IT FOR YOU? A I HAD A PHOTOGRAPHER DO IT. MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: NOW, PRIOR TO PHOTOGRAPHING THE DEFENDANT'S LEFT HAND DID HE REMOVE THE BANDAGE? A YES. THE BANDAGE WAS TAKEN OFF. Q OKAY. DID YOU TAKE IT OFF OR DID HE TAKE IT OFF? A HE DID. Q OKAY. WERE YOU ABLE TO OBSERVE THE INJURY AT THAT TIME? A YES. Q CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR US? A YES. IT WAS A -- HIS KNUCKLE APPEARED TO BE SWOLLEN AND IT IS THE UPPER KNUCKLE OF THE MIDDLE FINGER OF HIS LEFT HAND, APPEARED TO BE SWOLLEN AND THERE APPEARED TO BE A LACERATION THAT RUN UP AND DOWN ACROSS THE KNUCKLE, AND THEN DIRECTLY BELOW THAT TOWARD THE FIRST KNUCKLE THERE APPEARED TO BE A SMALLER LACERATION THAT RAN ACROSS THE FINGER AND DOWN. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU TAKE A SAMPLE OF THE DEFENDANT'S BLOOD THAT AFTERNOON? A I HAD IT DONE. I DIDN'T DO IT, BUT I HAD IT DONE. Q OKAY. AND WHO DID YOU HAVE DO IT, DETECTIVE? A THE ON-DUTY REGISTERED NURSE AT THE JAIL DISPENSARY AT PARKER CENTER. Q IS THERE A JAIL LOCATED AT PARKER CENTER? A YES. Q YOU NEVER PLACED THE DEFENDANT IN THAT JAIL? A NO, I DID NOT. WELL, I THINK I SHOULD QUALIFY THAT. NO, I DID NOT THAT DAY ON THE 13TH. Q THE 13TH WOULD BE MONDAY; IS THAT CORRECT? A THAT'S CORRECT, YES. Q AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT -- WHAT YOU SAW THE NURSE DO IN THE JAIL DISPENSARY, THAT IS, RELATIVE TO THE TAKING OF THE DEFENDANT'S BLOOD? A THE NURSE FIRST PREPARED A FORM, WHICH WAS AN AUTHORIZATION FOR MR. SIMPSON'S SIGNATURE. HE SIGNED AND AGREED TO GIVE THE BLOOD SAMPLE. THE NURSE TOOK A SYRINGE FROM HIS EQUIPMENT AND DREW A SAMPLE OF BLOOD. MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. DARDEN: MAY I CONFER WITH MR. SHAPIRO FOR ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) MR. SHAPIRO: MAY WE APPROACH, YOUR HONOR? THE COURT: CERTAINLY. (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.) (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. MR. DARDEN, DO YOU WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP? MR. DARDEN: CERTAINLY, YOUR HONOR. PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER. THE COURT: 123. MR. DARDEN: 123. WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH, YOUR HONOR. (PEO'S 123 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) Q BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, SHOWING YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH MARKED PEOPLE'S 123 FOR IDENTIFICATION, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PHOTOGRAPH? A YES, SIR, I DO. Q WAS THAT THE PHOTOGRAPH YOU CAUSED TO BE TAKEN ON JUNE 13TH? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q THAT PHOTOGRAPH DEPICTS THE LEFT INDEX FINGER? A THAT'S CORRECT. Q OF THE DEFENDANT? A YES. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q BY MR. DARDEN: I'M SORRY, MIDDLE FINGER? A MIDDLE FINGER. Q MIDDLE FINGER? A MIDDLE FINGER, YES. Q DON'T SHOW ME; JUST TELL ME. IS THAT HOW IT LOOKED THAT DAY? A YES, IT IS. MR. DARDEN: THANK YOU, DETECTIVE. IS THIS A GOOD TIME? THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR RECESS AT THIS TIME. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITION TO YOU. DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, DON'T FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DO NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ABOUT THE CASE OR CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS ABOUT THE MATTER UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU. DETECTIVE LANGE, YOU ARE ORDERED TO RETURN MONDAY MORNING, 9:00 A.M. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS AFTERNOON THE COURT IS GOING TO BE ON SESSION ON OTHER MATTERS REGARDING THIS CASE, I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CASE ON MY CALENDAR, SO WE WILL BE HERE WORKING. SO YOU HAVE A NICE WEEKEND AND WE WILL SEE YOU MONDAY MORNING. THE WITNESS: DETECTIVE VANNATTER. THE COURT: DETECTIVE VANNATTER, I'M SORRY. I LIKED THE LANGE GUY. HE WAS HERE SO LONG. ALL RIGHT. SEE YOU MONDAY MORNING. (AT 12:00 P.M. THE NOON RECESS WAS TAKEN UNTIL 1:30 P.M. OF THE SAME DAY.) SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENT NO. 103 HON. LANCE A. ITO, JUDGE THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, ) ) PLAINTIFF, ) ) ) VS. ) NO. BA097211 ) ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, ) ) ) DEFENDANT. ) REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS FRIDAY, MARCH 17, 1995 VOLUME 109 PAGES 19234 THROUGH 19305, INCLUSIVE (PAGES 19228 THROUGH 19233, INCLUSIVE, SEALED) (PAGES 19306 THROUGH 19360, INCLUSIVE, SEALED) APPEARANCES: (SEE PAGE 2) JANET M. MOXHAM, CSR #4588 CHRISTINE M. OLSON, CSR #2378 OFFICIAL REPORTERS APPEARANCES: FOR THE PEOPLE: GIL GARCETTI, DISTRICT ATTORNEY BY: MARCIA R. CLARK, WILLIAM W. HODGMAN, CHRISTOPHER A. DARDEN, CHERI A. LEWIS, ROCKNE P. HARMON, GEORGE W. CLARKE, SCOTT M. GORDON LYDIA C. BODIN, HANK M. GOLDBERG, ALAN YOCHELSON AND DARRELL S. MAVIS, DEPUTIES 18-000 CRIMINAL COURTS BUILDING 210 WEST TEMPLE STREET LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90012 FOR THE DEFENDANT: ROBERT L. SHAPIRO, ESQUIRE SARA L. CAPLAN, ESQUIRE 2121 AVENUE OF THE STARS 19TH FLOOR LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90067 JOHNNIE L. COCHRAN, JR., ESQUIRE BY: CARL E. DOUGLAS, ESQUIRE SHAWN SNIDER CHAPMAN, ESQUIRE 4929 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD SUITE 1010 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90010 GERALD F. UELMEN, ESQUIRE ROBERT KARDASHIAN, ESQUIRE ALAN DERSHOWITZ, ESQUIRE F. LEE BAILEY, ESQUIRE BARRY SCHECK, ESQUIRE ROBERT D. BLASIER, ESQUIRE I N D E X INDEX FOR VOLUME 109 PAGES 19234 - 19305 ----------------------------------------------------- DAY DATE SESSION PAGE VOL. FRIDAY MARCH 17, 1995 A.M. 19234 109 ----------------------------------------------------- LEGEND: MS. CLARK - MC MR. HODGMAN - H MR. DARDEN D MR. KAHN - K MR. GOLDBERG - GB MR. GORDON - G MR. SHAPIRO - S MR. COCHRAN - C MR. DOUGLAS - CD MR. BAILEY - B MR. UELMEN - U MR. SCHECK - BS MR. NEUFELD - N ----------------------------------------------------- CHRONOLOGICAL INDEX OF WITNESSES PEOPLE'S WITNESSES DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS VOL. VANNATTER, 109 PHILIP (RESUMED) 19432D ------------------------------------------------------- ALPHABETICAL INDEX OF WITNESSES PEOPLE'S WITNESSES DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS VOL. VANNATTER, 109 PHILIP (RESUMED) 19432D EXHIBITS PEOPLE'S FOR IN EXHIBIT IDENTIFICATION EVIDENCE PAGE VOL. PAGE VOL. 118 - VIDEOTAPE OF 19237 109 DETECTIVE VANNATTER'S DRIVE FROM ROCKINGHAM TO BUNDY 119 - VIDEOTAPE OF 19237 109 DETECTIVE VANNATTER'S DRIVE FROM BUNDY TO ROCKINGHAM 120 - POSTERBOARD 19249 109 ENTITLED "BLOOD TRAIL AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM" WITH 22 PHOTOGRAPHS DESIGNATED AS A THROUGH K 120-A - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM WITH THE REAR OF A WHITE BRONCO VEHICLE 120-B - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 AN LAPD RULER AND A RED SPOT ON THE GROUND AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 120-C - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 120-D - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 THE GROUND AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 120-E - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A CLOSE-UP OF THE GROUND AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 120-F - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A WIDE VIEW OF THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 120-G - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A CLOSE-UP OF THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM WITH THE LETTER "C" 120-H - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A RED SPOT ON THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM WITH THE NUMBER "7" 120-I - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A WIDE VIEW OF THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM EXHIBITS (CONTINUED) PEOPLE'S FOR IN EXHIBIT IDENTIFICATION EVIDENCE PAGE VOL. PAGE VOL. 120-J - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 A CLOSE-UP OF THE DRIVEWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM WITH NUMBER "8," A RED SPOT AND AN LAPD RULER 120-K - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19249 109 THE ENTRYWAY AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 121 - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19256 109 A CLOSE-UP OF A RED DROP WITH THE NUMBER 112 AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM 122 - POSTERBOARD 19259 109 ENTITLED "BRONCO EVIDENCE" WITH TWO PHOTOGRAPHS 122-A - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19259 109 A DOOR OF A BRONCO VEHICLE 122-B - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19259 109 THE CONSOLE OF A BRONCO VEHICLE 123 - PHOTOGRAPH OF 19303 109 THE MIDDLE FINGER OF THE DEFENDANT ??